SENATOR THE HONOURABLE CONCETTA FIERRAVANTI-WELLS

Transcript

Sky News the Kenny Report, 25 May 2020

SUBJECTS:

Chinese Communist Party, Coronavirus, Job Keeper Program, Post Coronavirus Management, Debt, Protests in Hong Kong, Sanctions against China, Trade Decoupling from China, Reparations

 

E&OE …

 

Chris Kenny:

Now I mustn’t forget to tell you about my media show.  I’m back at 8 o’clock with the media show.  Lots coming up there I’ll mention before we wrap up the program, but for now let’s catch up with Liberal Senator for New South Wales Concetta Fierravanti-Wells.  Good to speak to you again Connie.  Scott Morrison’s giving the big press club speech tomorrow.  The focus is on how we get out of this coronavirus shutdown.  Is there any chance that he’s gonna spend any of that 60 billion dollars in debt that he now doesn’t need for the job keeper program?

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells:

Look, that, you’ll just have to wait and see what the Prime Minister says tomorrow.  Look I think what is important here, there are two issues really Chris.  One is of course that many people are hurting at the moment and it’s going to be incumbent on us to make sure that the cure is not worse than the disease, because I think that with a lot of people hurting out there.  What we don’t want is a situation where we have successfully dealt with health issues, but of course our economy is in dire straits.  And it makes me think of course, don’t forget Winston Churchill, he won the war but he lost the election and what we don’t want to see is a circumstance where those people who are hurting, who will, inevitability, either lose their businesses or not be able to get their jobs back, permanently lost their health or any other reason, will naturally find someone to blame.  It’s human nature Chris and they…

Chris Kenny:

…But in principle…

 

 

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells:

…will come around and blame the Government.  And of course, blame the Prime Minister.  And that’s something we have to be very, very careful of and then of course there’s the other component about what we do with communist China and the regime…

Chris Kenny:

Hang on I’ll come to that in a moment don’t worry.  While we’re on the 60 billion though.  I mean the principle is that those policies are in place that are adequate to get people through.  We’re doing better then we expected.  It would be opportunistic to then go dip into that 60 billion to actually increase the debt more than it needs to be increased to get through this thing.

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells:

Chris, only the Labour party would want us to incur more debt.  I mean, let’s not forget 6 years of fiscal vandalism and how long it took us to pay off the debt that the Labour Party left us, and we had to pay that back during the Howard years.  Look, there has been a technical problem, some business didn’t fill forms in properly.  The reality is that all the people that needed to get the job payment, got the payment and therefore nobody who needs it will be disadvantaged as a consequence of this.  We are going to help three and half million people and I think that I’m sure that there will be programs that will be set out but of course the Labour party wants us to encore more debt.  I think that we’ve got enough debt to pay back, enough debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay back without incurring anymore.

Chris Kenny:

Alright onto China and we’ve seen protests in the streets of Hong Kong again today.  They were broken up by tear gas and the like, protests in Hong Kong against the new laws that’s gonna be imposed by Beijing to take away more autonomy from the people of Hong Kong to make them exposed to laws of sedition and the alike.  Australia and other countries have joined in a diplomatic protest against these laws.  What in reality though can we do to stop the eventual, just complete, complete recolonization if you like, of the Hong Kong system?

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells:

Chris, we’re seeing the communist regime doing what it does normally and that is to not comply with international law, not comply with obligations.  I mean there were clear obligations under the Sino-UK treaty that led to this position.  Hong Kong was to of been left as it was, things unchanged for 50 years but clearly that is not the intentions of the communist regime.  And its very clear from what we’ve seen recently at the congress that’s been held in China at the moment that there is this clear plan, and the clear plan is to incorporate Hong Kong into China, and disregard the one country two systems that had been the basis of the framework.  Obviously, what we’re seeing in Hong Kong, what we’re seeing in the South China Sea, what we’re now starting to see in other areas for example there are reports now of trouble on the India-China border.  

 

 

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells:

This is typical behaviour of the communist regime.  It disregards international law, it is not acting as a good international citizen and most especially I think what’s happening Chris is that we are seeing that undercover of the pandemic and with the world distracted dealing with the coronavirus that came out of China.  China is taking the opportunity to continue enforcing its illegal claims, most especially in the South China Sea.

Chris Kenny:

But when it comes to Hong Kong, we can protest all we like.  There’s nothing much that the international community can do.  It belongs to Beijing.  They’ll destroy the very economic foundation of Hong Kong if they make it the same as mainland China, but the world can’t really stop it.

Concetta Ferranti-Wells:

Well that’s the reality Chris and until you have a situation where the bully or somebody takes on the bully and the bully is brought to task, then they will continue to do what they have been doing because when it suits the communist regime in Beijing, then they utilise and weaponize international treaties, obligations, entities.  When it doesn’t suit them…

Chris Kenny:

…Just very briefly, sorry, sorry Connie we’re nearly out of time.  Donald Trump has raised the prospect of sanctions against China. Should Australia get involved in that?

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells:

Well I think that we should be looking at all options in relation to the communist regime and that’s the reason why Chris going back to your first question I think post pandemic, from a domestic perspective, I think we also have to look at it’s not going to be business as usual with the communist regime after the pandemic is over.  And that’s the reason why I’ve been pushing for plans not just to decouple from China and reduce our dependency, but to also look at how potentially we can gain some compensation for the billions of dollars that the Australian taxpayers have had to borrow.

Chris Kenny:

Well that’s a whole other issue.  Thanks, so much for joining us Senator.

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells:

Thanks Chris, thanks very much.

Chris Kenny:

Senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Liberal from New South Wales.  I don’t think Australia will be pushing for compensation, but we’ll see.

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